Since relatively recently acquiring the MOTU 8M, once i got around to swapping it out for the 896 mk3 in my recording rack, i figured it might be worth doing a quick teardown of the latter, before i sell it off. I've done a really brief one over on the BadCaps.net forums when i first bought it, but it deserves some higher-res photos and a more detailed documentation of its guts. Do keep in mind that it got re-capped as soon as i got my hands on (or into?) it, so the electrolytics are not stock. But
without further ado...
Quite "fully-featured", one might say - but then again, with a 2RU unit, one has a lot more front & back panel space to play with. I'll let you peruse the specs in the manual at your own leisure, and won't repeat it all here.
Popping off the top cover, we're greeted with a two-"layer" design, and plenty of empty space in there. But as one might expect, the physical connections to the world outside, as so often is the case, take up the most room.
Starting off at the power supply, it's the exact same design as the one "still" used in the much more recent units. For a more detailed analysis, i refer you (once again) to the MOTU 8M teardown posted earlier on this blog.
Down
in a corner of the mainboard is the boost-converter for producing the
voltage for the phantom-power required for condenser mics (and some
active ribbon mics, even). I can't say i recall ever needing to repair
this part of the circuit so... That's either a factory bodge, or it was
repaired before i had bought this (used, "obviously"). Regardless,
couldn't manage to make out the chip markings, but "feels" quite similar
to the 8M - likely a Texas Instruments part, with a voltage-multiplier
tacked onto the output. The TO252-packaged part is a Texas Instruments TLV1117;
the "TV1117" marking, according to the datasheet, means this is a fixed
1.25V regulator, likely for supplying the core voltage for the DSP.
Also, a pair of Analog Devices ADM709
power supply monitors (aka. reset controllers) make sure the hefty
silicon parts only get "woken up" once all the necessary power rails
have stabilized.
Staying on the power side of things, at the other end of the mainboard we find the regulators for the preamps and ADC's, comprised of a Texas Instruments TPS54140 step-down converter for the +5V, and an OnSemi MC7905 for the -5V.
At the heart of things is a trifecta of silicon. Well, quad-fecta, if you wish to count the external RAM there. But regardless, the main controller is an Atmel AT91SAM7S256 ARM7 microcontroller. Next to it is an Atmel AT45DB161D 16Mbit (2Mbyte) flash chip holding the firmware. The next larger chip is a Xilinx XC3S700A Spartan 3A FPGA. My best guess would be that it's in charge of marshalling the various audio signals between the converters, the DSP and the digital I/O, perhaps also handling some format encoding and decoding (thinking of ADAT here, for instance). The small chip to the left of the FPGA is an AKM AK4125 asynchronous sample rate converter.
And speaking of the DSP, a Texas Instruments TMS320C6722 is the brawn of the operation, crunching the numbers for all the audio processing this unit is capable of. At its side is an Alliance AS4C4M16S 64Mbit (8Mbyte) SDRAM chip.
And just above the two are a pair of Cirrus Logic CS2000-CP clock synthesizers, while the little SOT23-6 part is a Texas Instruments TP73001 linear regulator, likely for the FPGA core supply.
In the vicinity, a now-classic Texas Instruments TSB41AB2 handles the comms through the two Firewire ports, and an SMSC USB3300 interfaces the USB connection with the internals of the unit.
Temporarily obscured by the ribbon cable going to the front-panel LCD is the headphone output section, as well as some further power circuitry. The latter is comprised of a Texas Instruments TPS79650 5V linear regulator (i would reckon, powering the analog-to-digital converters, and potentially the mic preamps). The former is made up of a Rohm BA4580R driving the "Main Out" (mirroring the signal present at the main pair of outputs on the back), and a further two BA4580R's as well as an AKM AK4382 digital-to-analog converter for the independent "Phones" output.
The preamps are, as you may or may not have expected, a set of Texas Instruments PGA2500's - can you start to see a pattern emerging, perhaps? Regardless, each of the eight has an associated Taiwan Semiconductor DBL103G rectifier bridge used as part of the input protection.
In addition to a pair of Omron G6J-2FS-Y relays for each input (one for switching the attenuator pad, and one for switching the phantom-power to the mic inputs), hidden underneith the input board lurks an ST Microelectronics LM833 per channel. No doubt, for handling the line / instrument side of the inputs.
Slightly further "downstream", signal-path-wise, are 17 - yes, seventeen - ST Microelectronics TS922 rail-to-rail opamps, forming the input buffers and filters for the analog-to-digital converters, as well as one to buffer the half-supply voltage references from the two converter chips. Speaking of which, they're a pair of Cirrus Logic CS5368 8-channel units.
Moving on to the top (output) board, we find not four, but five AKM AK4396 stereo digital-to-analog converters, due to the 896mk3 having an extra "main stereo" output pair, in addition to the quasi-standard eight. The DAC output filtering is taken care of by a group of Rohm BA4580R's, while the converters are powered by another TPS79650 regulator.
Yet more BA4580R's drive the line outputs, and a nice touch that one does not see very often, diode-clamping protection on the outputs, with a few more DBL103G bridge rectifiers.
The rear of the front panel doesn't show much, but on the other hand, there's not all that much to show in the first place - a whole load of LED's, a couple of encoders, and that's about it.
Hi
ReplyDeleteWhat can I replace the TS922 with the best?
Will OPA1612 do it?
ts922 80mA vs 35mA from opa.
Or maybe TLV9152? CMRR -120dB and Vos 0.56mV
TS922 is 100dB and Vos 0.9mV
What do you mean by "best"? And what exactly are you hoping to achieve? Or what about the interface feels like "not enough" for you?
DeleteIt's all about self-noise.
ReplyDeleteTs922 is -100dB (THD + Noise) and ADC has self noise of -114dB (thd + noise).
This opamp is wrongly selected because it should have noise lower than ADC.
Ts922 has a high current of 80-90mA and I am afraid that if I put an opamp there with a current of 55-60mA I will spoil the dynamics.
OPA1612 is an excellent opamp, but I'm worried about this output current,
So you're saying you're noticing more noise than you think / feel should be there? Are you then 100000% sure it's because of the opamps, and not because of... i don't know... the self-noise of the microphones you're using?
Delete"A high current" means nothing. Going by the size of those numbers, they sound like the short-circuit current capabilities of those opamps. Considering the high(-ish) impedances of the ADC inputs, i think i can safely say that the output current capabilities of those opamps are most certainly NOT the limiting factor.
Can't say i have much idea about what "dynamics" means anyway, in that context...
I haven't played with ADC yet and have little experience.
ReplyDeleteOn the shelf I have fuel 1612,2134,2604,1662
Lm4962, LME49724, njm8080,8086,2068,2115
NE5532.
Maybe it makes sense to replace the opamp in this Motu
Oh, if you "have little experience", then i'm sure you know what you're talking about, and know more than the engineers that designed this thing.
DeleteBut hey, if you're got that much free time on your hands, and are willing to invest the time and effort to make yourself feel better, sure, go right ahead. I myself wouldn't bother, but that's just me.
The argument with engineers is weak, because it could have been cost and not just quality.
DeleteLittle experience only means that I have not been interested in ADC processing so far.
I thought you had a lot on this topic.
I am already after a few dozen pages of primer on ADC processing and converter control.
And I already know that there is an imperfection in the ts922 + cs5368 application.
Self-noise and distortions:
THD cs5368 = 105dB, Own noise = 105dB
THD TS922 = 100dB, Own noise = 80dB
ADC driver must have THD and noise lower.
High output current (literally working on a short circuit) is desirable because the lower the output impedance, the better the dynamics is processed by the ADC.
The ADC driver must offer the highest possible input impedance and the lowest possible outputs.
Fine, let's talk datasheet specs.
DeleteThe CS5368's input impedance for the analog inputs is specified as 250Kohms. What exactly do you need tens of mA of drive capability, to drive a 250K load?
The THD of the TS922 is specified into a 600 ohm load. SIX HUNDRED ohms. Not 250Kohms.
But hey, here's a thought - run some measurements as stock, and after you upgrade those opamps. I'll be looking forward to the results. And i assume the differences will also be audible, right?
Hello friend, are you still responding about this equipment here on the blog?
ReplyDeleteI am now, after a much-too-long absence...
Deletei am working on some repairs for my 896 mk3 firewire. looks nearly identical. i need to replace my adat/toslink ports and 1 preamp potentiometer. it seems the adat ports are toshiba and discontinued. struggling to find a proper replacement for the potentiometer. any idea where to look for these?
ReplyDeleteI'd start looking at some of the big component distributors (Mouser, Digikey, element14).
DeleteThe potentiometer shouldn't(?) be anything too sci-fi - the value and taper is usually marked on one of the sides (1-10k, possibly reverse-log aka C-taper..?). Not sure if Alps makes those exact models anymore, but if you measure the thing with a caliper and look through a few datasheets, it shouldn't be too tricky to find one. Just remember to tick the "in stock" checkbox wherever you look, and sort the results by ascending price.
Regarding the optical ports... Well, some photos might help - i can't recall, nor can i see in these photos i have here, what sort of footprint they have. And you'll also want to measure if they're 5V or 3.3V parts. But the (in-stock) selection from the major distributors doesn't seem to be plentiful, indeed...
Quick question, can I recap (PSU region) using only solid state, low ESR caps? (TC Konnekt 6...)
ReplyDelete(for the analog/ digital region I will be using normal well knows brand electrolytic caps like SANYO Oscon, Nichicon FG, FW)
Is this question about recapping a TC Konnekt 6?
DeleteI wouldn't go quite as extreme as going full polymer - those are VERY low-ESR, and some circuits might not react too well to those, if they weren't designed to work with those. Not to mention they're on the expensive side... And those are "solid polymer electrolytic", not "solid state".
Sanyo's OSCON series was also polymer electrolytic, and also super-low-ESR, so the warning above still applies. Nichicon FG/FW, as well as all the other "for audio" caps are just expensive in order to gain extra profits for the "feel good" sensation. Don't waste your money on those (either).