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Monday 17 April 2017

#3 MOTU 8Pre teardown & gain adjustment pot replacement

On the latest drum tracking session i surprisingly discovered that channel 8 on the MOTU 8pre in my recording rig was noisy and useful-signal-less. This same unit had a similar issue with channel 6 when i bought it (as faulty, with a shot Firewire chip).

Fortunately, when i was about to take care of ch6, i got two replacement pots. When investigating the issue, i had read it's a relatively common occurrence, so i figured that as long as i'm contacting the local MOTU distributor, might as well get an extra / spare one, just in case (especially since i had two 8Pres at the time).



I've always liked MOTU cases - nice, sturdy, reasonably thick cast aluminium. I also appreciate the cleverness - the top and bottom halves are the exact same part. This particular unit is a slightly newer revision of the Firewire version, with a switchmode power supply. I had another one, which had two PCB-mounted linear (steel, chunky) transformers. Also, of note is the cutout in the PCB on the left edge (in the region of ch1), which lines up with the slots in the casing. Another ingeniously simple solution, in order to offer some passive cooling to the insides, the "exhaust" being on the top right of the enclosure, above the power supply.



Since i've had this for a while, "of course" i had already re-capped it soon after acquiring it. Somehow, the stock "Meritek" caps didn't inspire all that much confidence, y'know?


Power supply got a Rubycon WXA 22u/400v and a YXF 47u/50v on the primary, and a pair of Panasonic FC 1200u/6.3v and FK 2200u/16v respectively. The thing puts out five power rails, +/-8v, 5.5v, 3.8v and 3.3v. The mains input filtering is comprehensive (fuse, NTC thermistor, two X2 caps, common-mode choke, two Y2 caps, all mains-rated with requisite markings). Even the snubber cap across the transformer primary is a Y2 unit.

The rest of the unit got an assortment of Panasonic FR and Rubycon ZL caps, plus a few Chemi-Con SMG and a lone Sanyo ME-WX. Nope, couldn't be bothered to mess with the surface-mount electrolytics though.

As long as i have this open, might as well do a little run-down of the silicon as well:
  • The brains of the operation is a Philips LPC2104B. I'm guessing this has more of a supervisory / peripheral-control role, than anything else (driving the LEDs on the front panel mostly).
  • The heavy lifting (protocol / format conversion and audio / data streaming) is, i suspect, handled by the Xilinx Spartan XC3S200 FPGA.
  • The Firewire interfacing is done via a "classic" Texas Instruments TSB41AB2.
  • Two Analog Devices ADM709 voltage supervisor chips keep the processors in reset until the power rails stabilize. As an added bonus, we have a nice little factory bodge wire in the area. 
  • An SST (now Microchip) SST25VF040 4Mbit SPI flash chip holds the contents of the firmware.
  • The clocking seems to be provided mainly by a TI TLC2933A VCO / PLL.
  • All(?) the opamps seem to be JRC NJM4580 duals.
  • Taiwan Semiconductor DB107G bridge rectifiers, used as clamping diodes (to the opamp power rails), for input protection. Clever space-saving board layout though, "piggybacking" these on top of the preamp-opamps.
  • Four Asahi Kasei Semiconductor AK5385AVS stereo ADCs handle the eight inputs, and AK4382AT stereo DACs drive the two analog outputs and the headphone outs, respectively.

  • Apart from those already mentioned, there are a few linear voltage regulators for the logic chips, as well as a little boost converter for creating the +48v phantom-power for condenser microphones.
  • The main component in the mains power supply is a Fairchild Semiconductor (now part of On Semiconductor) FSCM0765R all-in-one flyback controller / switcher IC.
  • Rectification on the secondary is via four SR360 3A 60v Schottky diodes.
Now that that's done with, the ch8 gain pot "finally" got replaced, and all is well, good as new (or even better, in fact) and all that.

9 comments:

  1. Khron, I've pulled my old MOTU 896 out of storage to find that it now has multiple dead channels, AM radio (Horse racing...what the?) and the channels that do work have bad pots. If you've got any tips let me know as I'm keen to get this unit up and running. Way back in '09 it underwent a pampering courtesy of Black Lion Audio. It was quite different upon return, in a good way. Thanks

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  2. Hi - It seems you're the only one in the world who has taken an 8 pre apart who knows wtf they're doing - I just bought one on ebay and my Channel 5 pot is shot- where did you order your replacements from? I can not find one anywhere. Do you have brand part numbers that you can share? Thanks - L Hong

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    1. Thanks, i suppose? :)

      At the time, i contacted MOTU's support department, who then directed me towards a company that did their local (or rather, national) distribution and service. I emailed the guy the description of my problem, along with a couple photos with measurements of the pot, and a week or so later, an envelope arrived from them.

      In hindsight, those pots may or may not be kinda-sorta "standard", albeit tricky to find. I found the photo i had sent the guy, and the marking stamped on the side was "10C5K". Not sure about the "10", but the "C" indicates a reverse-log taper, and the 5K is the value. It may or may not be an Alps part - at the very least, it's in a format i've seen Alps pots in.

      I just checked, looks exactly like there RK11 series, and there's a chance it might've been a custom run. Either that, or it's not an Alps part at all (there's no branding or logo on it, anyway).

      https://www.alps.com/prod/info/E/HTML/Potentiometer/RotaryPotentiometers/RK11K11/RK11K11_list.html

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    2. Yes, you can take what I said as a compliment and Thank you very much for the quick reply and link - I'll look into this with my amp tech and see which one is capable. Meanwhile I just sprayed some DeoxIT into it and it helped a bit.

      Thanks Again and
      Cheers!

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    3. Sure thing, no problem, glad to help. Like i said, either try the "official channels", or the more tedious route would be to check the big distributors (Digikey, Mouser, Farnell / element14) for similar pots from other brands.

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  3. Hi Khron, mine is losing the presets as soon as I unplug the firewire cable. Is there a battery in the unit that might need changing? I can't seem to find it...

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    1. I don't think so, but... What "presets" do you mean?

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  4. Good evening, excellent work my friend, please I have a motu 8pre firewie and she is unfortunately unemployed after 11 years of service and loyalty due to a malfunction in the power supply block and I would like to fix it, so if you would be kind, sir, I will send an power supply scheme. Thanks

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    1. I don't have a schematic of this power supply, but it's really quite generic. The prime suspect would be the small "start-up" capacitor near the heatsinked PWM on the primary side.

      On the other hand, can you see any sort of dried-up leakage on the power supply board? I believe in the 828mk3 article here on the blog, you can see how the 400v capacitor on the primary is prone to leaking and corroding the copper traces on the board, which can also lead to "not working".

      If those two are ok, then you can turn your attention to the capacitors on the secondary side of the power supply, particularly the bigger one on the 3.8v rail (where the feedback is tapped off of).

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